tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31246093.post290990999688806648..comments2024-03-28T12:29:39.157-07:00Comments on Graphic Firing Table: Enemy of the StateFDChiefhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10607785969510234092noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31246093.post-42390783016326255142012-10-29T05:48:57.430-07:002012-10-29T05:48:57.430-07:00Ok, Chief...it came from a piece from here, but th...Ok, Chief...it came from a piece from <a href="http://www.stanford.edu/class/e297a/Afghanistan,%20the%20United%20States.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a>, but the operative paragraph was this one:<br /><br /><br />" Recently declassified Intelligence reports also reveal that the “official history record is false”.[26] Contrary to the “official record“- - that the United States involvement in the Afghan civil war began following, and as a response to, the Soviet Union's invasion of the country- in truth, United States involvement in the Afghanistan Civil War began a full six months before the Soviet Union ever invaded Afghanistan.[27] In an interview given to a French reporter in 1988, Brezinski confirmed this “little known fact” of history, admitting that the CIA had begun providing covert aid to Afghan resistance fighters fully six months before the Soviet invasion.[28] Even more revealing and shocking is Brezinski's admission, later on in the interview, that the U.S. intention in providing this aid was to "draw the Russians into the Afghan trap." [29] When, in this same interview, the reporter, shocked at having discovered that the United States intentionally provoked the Soviet Union to enter into the war, asked Brezinski whether he harbored any regrets for doing this, Brezinski’s reply was: “Regret what? The secret operation was an excellent idea... The day the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter: We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam War.”[30]"<br /><br />So, Carter's Presidency put in motion the act that would financially crash the Soviet Union, and Reagan boasted and took credit for something he did not begin. And now...the mess may crash us ALL.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31246093.post-34928862743676714382012-10-28T09:53:11.774-07:002012-10-28T09:53:11.774-07:00Chief...I only recently ran across that one and ye...Chief...I only recently ran across that one and yes, it shocked me to my boots as well. I will try to find the thing again before the week gets too old and get it to you to read in some form or other.<br /><br />Course, the thing is, the dumb bastards were still operating "Domino Theory" crap, they thought "Oh, holy crap, we can't have a socialist minded democracy in Afghanistan....lets fuck that up." And it went cock to wall crazy (gee, kind of like when the CIA saw to it Iran's Mosedegh (sp??) was assassinated so the Shah could be enthroned)...and now they don't want to talk about the sowing that reaped us the current whirlwind!Syrbal/Labryshttp://www.herlanderwalking.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31246093.post-14950658745669623982012-10-26T16:09:58.564-07:002012-10-26T16:09:58.564-07:00"WE sent CIA operatives in to make sure the s...<i>"WE sent CIA operatives in to make sure the socialist uprising in Afghanistan failed..."</i><br /><br />Syrbal: Now I have to say - that's a new one. And I put a lot of credence in what you say because I know your background in Intel. But...that's a damn serious bit of backstory.<br /><br />The timelines I've read have the Saur Revolution in April '78, the Soviet incursion in December '79 and Carter authorizes the first covert work some time in early summer (July?) of '79.<br /><br />I'll buy the idea that the CIA/NSA was working against the PDPA in '78, but I've never seen or heard anything concrete. Sounds like you have, yes?<br /><br />That'd be a huge counterfactual. If the U.S. was meddling in Afghan internal affairs prior to the Soviet invasion it makes the whole "story" of the Evil Empire and its designs on poor innocent Afghanistan so much bullshit...FDChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10607785969510234092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31246093.post-24042338234100121362012-10-26T12:14:18.119-07:002012-10-26T12:14:18.119-07:00Thank you for being coherent, when I walked out of...Thank you for being coherent, when I walked out of the living room after hearing that bit of bullshit spoken aloud, I was INcoherent.<br /><br />Because it didn't begin with Charlie Wilson alone. WE sent CIA operatives in to make sure the socialist uprising in Afghanistan failed so that the Russians WOULD invade.<br /><br />And we lie about it, even to ourselves. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31246093.post-4600429973403046072012-10-26T08:58:48.952-07:002012-10-26T08:58:48.952-07:00Yeah, Pluto, the whole "Charlie Wilson's ...Yeah, Pluto, the whole "Charlie Wilson's War" was based on the ridiculous preconception that we could arm and aim a bunch of homicidal 11th Century-inspired religious loonies and once they'd done what WE wanted them to they'd just go away and that whole thing would work out slicker'n water off a cat's ass.<br /><br />Wonder why that didn't work out so good? Wonder if what we're doing now will work out that good, too? Wonder if anyone involved either knows or cares?FDChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10607785969510234092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31246093.post-69198256047805179732012-10-26T04:48:48.418-07:002012-10-26T04:48:48.418-07:00This is good stuff, Chief. You should cross-post ...This is good stuff, Chief. You should cross-post it on the Milpub, it needs a shot in the arm right now.<br /><br />On the muj:<br />As you'll recall, we didn't talk about whether or not the muj were going to bite us in the ass eventually either. We just knew that they were the good Muslims (who did what we wanted) as opposed to the bad Muslims in Iran, whom we suspected were in cahoots with Soviets (which is ridiculous in hindsight).Plutonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31246093.post-82664443649576213922012-10-25T08:30:36.484-07:002012-10-25T08:30:36.484-07:00Even that infamous bureaucratic infighter Donny Ru...Even that infamous bureaucratic infighter Donny Rumsfeld knew that he - and we - haven't the faintest idea what the hell all our time, labor, and money is doing in these places, Lisa; his snowflake said, in effect, that this was an known unknown. We knew that we didn't know whether all these people we were killing and capturing was the geopolitical equivalent of "mowing the grass" that kept the Islamists down to a low rumble, or whether it was sowing grass seed, and for every blade we cut another grew in its place...<br /><br />I'm not trying to say we're NOT having some effect in suppressing the Islamists, just that we don't really know one way or the other. We thought that we were doing this awesome trick arming the muj in Afghanistan back in the Eighties - and we were, in the sense that it backfooted the Soviets - but eventually that business came around to bite us on the ass. This, may, too, but you'd never know it for the lack of discussion we're having...FDChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10607785969510234092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31246093.post-52566622380046624042012-10-24T20:57:54.095-07:002012-10-24T20:57:54.095-07:00My, this is good:
" ... the fact-unsupported...My, this is good:<br /><br /><i>" ... the fact-unsupported belief that killing people and wrecking things in these fetid and festering hives of scum and villainy will have a salutary effect on the locals instead of being the geopolitical equivalent of tossing gobbets of raw flesh into an open sewer in hopes of attracting rats to smash one by one with a ball-peen hammer.</i><br /><br />Ah, that poor schlump Chalabi ...Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08839236994990699117noreply@blogger.com