tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31246093.post6853432083084811227..comments2024-03-15T16:47:21.346-07:00Comments on Graphic Firing Table: Melian DialogueFDChiefhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10607785969510234092noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31246093.post-55292945634770683072012-02-28T13:40:12.317-07:002012-02-28T13:40:12.317-07:00Chief,
I do feel that perhaps men who have seen f...Chief,<br /><br />I do feel that perhaps men who have seen fighting have an altered view of humanity. Perhaps even as a student of history it is correct not to be "shocked", yet I still am.<br /><br />Yes, may a sense of horror and revulsion never leave us, for existing at that level of insensitivity dooms us. Better yet would be not to behave in a horrible or reviling matter, but I don't hold out much hope of that for the human animal.<br /><br />I read a recent quip from Anthony Hopkins, taught to him by his 3rd wife, which he said had made his life much better: Expect nothing, accept everything.<br /><br />That may be the size of it.Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08839236994990699117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31246093.post-84447321574594306942012-02-28T02:08:16.532-07:002012-02-28T02:08:16.532-07:00Lisa: Horrified? Yes. Shocked...are you shocked ...Lisa: Horrified? Yes. Shocked...are you shocked when a tiger kills its prey? Shocked when a tyrant kills HIS prey?<br /><br />I hope we will always be horrified and revolted by what tens or thousands of "good Germans" did at the behest of their masters.<br /><br />But I've seen too much of humanity to ever be shocked by vile acts. Only the hairless monkey is capable of the sort of truly appalling cruelty that happened inside the gates of Dachau, or Lidice.FDChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10607785969510234092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31246093.post-30215082362493035302012-02-27T17:37:34.357-07:002012-02-27T17:37:34.357-07:00We're not shocked when the Nazis . . . kill m...We're not shocked when the Nazis . . . kill millions in the death camps . . "<br /><br />I beg to differ, and will always remain shocked by such devious carnage. It revealed what an erstwhile evolved, complicit modern society is capable of. It is well under 100 since, and already there are people ready to tuck it away and dismiss its validity.<br /><br />If for only the reason I mentioned, it should never be forgotten.Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08839236994990699117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31246093.post-53591180698504549702012-02-26T06:02:46.755-07:002012-02-26T06:02:46.755-07:00i treat colonialism and slavery as 2 distinct subj...i treat colonialism and slavery as 2 distinct subjects.<br />both have a common white is right basis.<br />you are correct that slavery was not a purely white thing. the cartheginian african horse men took white slaves in spain.<br />jimrangeragainstwarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02126542922536584950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31246093.post-13951621590836857702012-02-26T05:59:52.185-07:002012-02-26T05:59:52.185-07:00Chief,
then look at politics- guys like Le May mak...Chief,<br />then look at politics- guys like Le May make it onto a presidential tiket, even if it is a 3 rd party.<br />he's a war criminal and a part of our society thot he'd be a viable vp just 1 heart beat from the oval ofc.<br />the 2nd. ww in the pacific was nothing more than hearstian yellow journalism gone wild. the yellow peril was a dominant theme in our society at the time.<br />we still have the white is right philosophy. all of our wars since 45 sure seem to bear this out.<br />would we have nucced Berlin?<br />think of the stuff the brits did in the colonies. and the belgians, as you mention.i resently saw a antique print in a auction that showed the brits tying Indians to cannons and then launching them down range. nice stuff for a white man's library. <br />jimrangeragainstwarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02126542922536584950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31246093.post-9781404112694747982012-02-25T09:56:02.453-07:002012-02-25T09:56:02.453-07:00(con't)
No question that the tribal hates hav...(con't)<br /><br />No question that the tribal hates have crippled Africa. But a lot of the internal problems stem from the way that the colonizers 1) made "nations" out of groups of people who were traditional rivals and/or outright enemies, and 2) then proceeded to use those tribal rivalries to rule, setting one tribe against another.<br /><br />Look at our situation right now in the Middle East.<br /><br />Afghanistan is an utterly fake "nation" composed of a whole bunch of tribes that range from distaining to truly despising each other. We've thrown in with the Tajiks and Uzbeks against the southern and eastern Pashtun, and the lack of a political solution has more to do with tribal incompatibilities than "terrorism".<br /><br />In Iraq we tossed the Sunni Tikriti mob out and all we managed was to replace them with the Shia tribes from the center and south. The northern Kurds have no interest in being "Iraqi" and are merely tolerating the idiots who are scrapping over the <i>qaddi</i> in Baghdad.<br /><br />Lisa, I do stand corrected on the relative bestiality of the U.S. versus many of our historical enemies; you're right and we HAVE often, when we could, tried to be as humane as we could. But I note that when it's down to lose "the fight" or lose ourselves we've often chosen to err on the Dark Side, whether it's imprisoning innocent Americans because they looked Asian or giving up our own civil rights because we feared "the terrorists".<br /><br />Our monkey-wrath and monkey-fear have ways of breaking through the civilization that we've made; our own less, perhaps, than the Nazis did the German and the militarists did the Japanese, but perhaps even more shocking for that. We're not shocked when the Nazis flatten Rotterdam or kill millions in the death camps, or when the Japanese murder whole cities like Canton - their central creed was an extreme version of "the strong do what they can" coupled with a vile racism - they truly were Bad Guys.<br /><br />But I do believe that we were the Good Guys - which makes things like the Tokyo and Dresden fire raids all the more disturbing and shocking. It's like seeing the hero shoot a man in the back; the context makes it more shocking rather than less...FDChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10607785969510234092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31246093.post-46573330443555052302012-02-25T09:43:47.350-07:002012-02-25T09:43:47.350-07:00I kinda have to go with jim on this one, Lisa; bla...I kinda have to go with jim on this one, Lisa; black-on-black slavery was usually atrocity on a retail scale, while white-on-black slavery was the wholesale variety.<br /><br />In fact, there's some line of thinking that tribal-type slavery (of the sort you found here among the native tribes and in sub-Saharan Africa) was a step up, civilization-wise, from the former tradition of simply killing all the men and boys on the losing side in a tribal war and taking the women and girls into the tribe as baby-factories. A lot of the "slavery" in these tribal settings wasn't hereditary, and in a generation the slave families were tribespeople in good standing.<br /><br />The colonialism really WAS based on a truly corrosive institutional racism. A Blackfoot saw a Cheyenne as an enemy, not an inferior. A typical Briton saw a native of Bengal as a nigger, the offspring of a Bengali and a European as a half-nigger, a "chi-chi" and considered all of them - to the sixteenth-part non-white - as some sort of bipedal animal. The entire colonial systems used by England, France, Holland, Portugal...and don't get me started on the Belgians...were designed to put the brown, black, and yellow man in his place and keep him there, and the sort of damage that did to the places the Europeans ruled is so huge that it's nearly impossible to tease it out of all the other dysfunctions in those places...<br /><br />(con't)FDChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10607785969510234092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31246093.post-30356583639258139952012-02-25T08:35:45.287-07:002012-02-25T08:35:45.287-07:00jim says,
colonialism on the internatn'l scen...jim says,<br /><br /><i>colonialism on the internatn'l scene was as corrosive and destructive as was slavery in the US., and it was all based on -WHITE IS RIGHT</i><br /><br />While colonialism has left behind a lot of problems to be mopped up, it is not all "white is right", is it?<br /><br />A little publicized fact of slavery in America is that some slaves, once freed, set up their own plots and took on their own slaves. Certainly in many African countries subjugation of black minorities continues, often in the form of economic, if not outright slavery.<br /><br />The impulse to enslave and colonize is a human issue. Whoever wields the most power will impose that state upon the weaker, white or not.Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08839236994990699117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31246093.post-64865979641051810312012-02-25T05:50:21.483-07:002012-02-25T05:50:21.483-07:00chief,
i never have down time. i'm always a ti...chief,<br />i never have down time. i'm always a ticking....<br />as for japan. we allowed the dutch,french,english ,netherlands etc.. run rough shod over most of asia, but got our shorts in a wad when JAPAN wanted to do the exact same thing.think about this-did japan want to make hawaii a state??<br />they simply wanted a valid sphere of influence that we have always had since the days of Monroe. ditto germany, russia et al.<br />how/where , and why we draw battle lines i can never figure.<br />imo we have been screwed every time that we supported british or french or oil interests in asia.<br />.this is my analysis.think viet nam. we paid for french sins and called it a war against communism. the ME and SEA bear out my contention. think syria.<br />colonialism on the internatn'l scene was as corrosive and destructive as was slavery in the US., and it was all based on -WHITE IS RIGHT. well that's coming home to roost.the present warrior attitude is based on this assumption, but they'll NEVER admit it. example-how many blacks were in the SS /USMC photo. how many blacks are in force recon or sniper scouts?? or any elite units?<br />thanks for correcting my spelling-now i have 2 editors.<br />i need all the help i can get, and<br />thanks for the reply to my comment.<br />jimrangeragainstwarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02126542922536584950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31246093.post-14710173993361191342012-02-24T20:47:26.533-07:002012-02-24T20:47:26.533-07:00On the personal level (which is the political, slo...On the personal level (which is the political, slogan-wise), Chief says,<br /><br /><i>you have to expect utterly nonlinear and often completely whack thinking and acts from people in general.</i><br /><br />Indeed.<br /><br />I don't however, necessarily agree with, "So we all acted like beasts in war." If so, the bestiality is relative.<br /><br /><br />Jim says,<br /><br />"The rule as I see it is-if we do it it's OK, but if they do it = no go"<br /><br />Indeed. Think on a personal level here, and you will confirm the truth in that statement. Most everyone thinks himself quite clever and justified whilst committing any number of -- to be charitable -- blunders, or outright cruelties. Perhaps what really matters is, how you mop up your mess.<br /><br />Chief points out the U.S. did a good job in reconstruction.Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08839236994990699117noreply@blogger.com