Monday, February 21, 2022

The lights are going out...

 I'm reading that Russian maneuver forces have crossed into the southeastern oblasts of Ukraine and are moving towards Donetsk.

Assuming that the Ukranian forces around that city do not retreat we may be seeing war in Eastern Europe for the first time since the early 1950s (if you count the UPA guerilla resistance) or 1944 (if you only count conventional inter-state warfare).

The real question at this point is whether Putin will push his forces into the old Ruthenian heartland of the western Ukraine. The distance from the southern border of Belarus to Kyiv is relatively short, and the temptation for Putin and the Russian Army leadership to try to roll the dice of a "decapitation strike" seems almost too vast to resist.

If in case you were wondering why the Trumpkin reaction to all this Russian invading seems so weird and peculiar, consider that while Putin polls at around 75% negative with self-identified Republicans, Biden polls somewhere around minus-90%.

At least you can't say the treasonous sonsofbitches don't walk their walk...

Update 2/24: It now appears that Putin's goal is full-on subjugation of Ukraine. I'm not sure if this will involve prolonged Russian occupation; if Putin doesn't, I'll bet his military chiefs remember both the Chechen and Afghan nightmares as well as the post-WW2 Ukrainian resistance. But the actual conquest is pretty much guaranteed; the relative strengths of the two militaries all but ensures that T-90s will be parked in the Maidan fairly soon.

My guess is that after a brief occupation and ratissage of Ukrainian nationalists the Russians will leave behind a Quisling government including a mini-KGB/FSB and antipartisan militia to hunt the resistance. How well this will work in Ruthenia is anyone's guess.

Now...my further, and more worried, question is whether the success of this move will embolden Putin to go after his other lust-objects, the pieces of the former USSR. The Baltics? Georgia? One of the lessons of the fascist 1930s is that once a fascist dictator is on a roll he's often unwilling or unable to stop himself. For a long time I thought that Putin was too canny to go full-on Hitler.

Now? I'm not convinced he has. 

But I'm not so sure he hasn't, either.

Update 2, 2/24: Thomas Zimmer has a nice breakdown of the weird Putin-fapping we're seeing from the American Right. Here's the bottom line (but the whole thread is worth reading...):

"Take note: Reactionaries and far-right movements across the “West” are siding with Putin. They see him as an ally in the struggle to uphold white Christian patriarchal rule – the kind of authoritarian strongman that can turn the tide against the forces of “woke” pluralism."

Zimmer had been on this beat for a long time, and his conclusion - one that I can't help but agree with completely - is that the rise of the Trumpkin Right (which long predates Trump and is largely the result of absorbing the Birchers and fundie religious zealots in the GOP) means that "conservatives" will choose to protect their status as ubermensch rather than accept becoming one among many.

Update 2/25: Juan Cole observes that Dick n' Dubya's Excellent Iraqi Adventure "enabled" the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Over at Milpub our reilable commentor Sven makes pretty much the same point.

I have a fair amount of respect for Cole's opinions on the Middle East, and Sven's opinions overall, but I think they overstate the case.

Reassembling the old Soviet Union has been an obsession of Putin's for as long as I've known about Putin. I can't believe that some sort of move to re-absorb Ukraine wasn't on his bucket list for a loooong time; the recent Ukrainian move to try and become more closely integrated with its western neighbors rather than Russia probably moved it up the list as well as making armed force more plausible.

(and, while we're on the subject, who the hell would WANT to be a "Russian" given the current conditions in Russia? Life as an American wage-slave sucks pretty big ass. Throw in open kleptocracy for the discreet American version along with shittier living conditions? Ugh. Our return-to-the-Gilded-Age economy may make life pretty grinding for the 99%, but I can't see voluntarily wanting to swap that for life in the post-Soviet Russia. There's frying pans and there's fires.)

Anyway, I agree with Cole that American foreign policy makes it harder for the U.S. to oppose other's military fucktardry. I agree with Sven that the U.S. and the West has done badly, both in general and in Eastern Europe.

But I disagree that Putin needed any help to decide to kill Ukrainians, or that anyone else deserves to go directly to Hell for that decision.

The U.S. was wrong in Iraq, just as it's been wrong all over the world in places like Nicaragua and Vietnam. Iraq is and was a war crime, making aggressive war, the crime for which the victorious Allies hung Nazi leaders. Dick and Dubya should be in jail, not enjoying a comfy elder statesmen's retirement.

But that simply makes Putin just as guilty. 

They all should be sharing a cell in SuperMax, and We the People of the United States should be ashamed for letting them do otherwise.

To those Russians who are trying to stop Putin...I have no words, and doubt I have that kind of bravery. I wish I thought you could succeed. I hate what I know will happen to you

And I'm just sorry, sorry for this sorry world that has so much wrong in it.


Update 2/26: The fighting continues in Ukraine, with the Russian forces doing surprisingly poorly (relative to the preponderance of weight-of-metal on the Russian side...). I still doubt the outcome is in play - poor or not, quantity has a quality all it's own (just hard on the people in the "quantity"...).

My opinion remains unchanged. As much as the U.S. has been a bad actor globally that doesn't excuse this. In the last words of the guys on Snake Island, "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Krugman has a column that makes a good point, though; for all that fingers are pointing at Putin and Russia right now, there's a mote/beam problem related to our own plutocratic/kleptocratic economies and the malefactors of great wealth therein that emphasizes the degree to which We the People have casually let the very sort of corruption endemic in Putin's Russia become less blatant but almost as endemic all over the West. 

That makes even economic war problematic.

"There are two uncomfortable facts here. First, a number of influential people, both in business and in politics, are deeply financially enmeshed with Russian kleptocrats. This is especially true in Britain. Second, it will be hard to go after laundered Russian money without making life harder for all money launderers, wherever they come from — and while Russian plutocrats may be the world champions in that sport, they’re hardly unique: Ultrawealthy people all over the world have money hidden in offshore accounts.

What this means is that taking effective action against Putin’s greatest vulnerability will require facing up to and overcoming the West’s own corruption.

Can the democratic world rise to this challenge? We’ll find out over the next few months."

Remember the "Panama Papers"? The revelation of the vast coterie of Western vulture capitalists that were thieving and cheating right alongside the cartoon Latin caudillos, African "strongmen", and Russian oligarchs? Remember how many of them we prosecuted, convicted, mulcted of their stolen lucre, and sent to the Crossbar Hotel?

Yeah, me neither.

I'm not saying "Oh, we're just as bad as Russia, so we can't point fingers."  Sure we can - we just need to be willing to point fingers at our own when they go wrong. We haven't done that. The fact that people like Dubya and Paul Wolfowitz and Dick Cheney and a gajillion Wall Street thieves and, yes, Trump are still walking around free is living testimony to the degree we've failed.

Putin is still a sonofabitch.

We really need to use this occasion of naked kleptocratic criminality, though, to think hard about how much rope we want to give our own oligarchs.

12 comments:

Matthew Saroff said...

Ummm....How was the breakup of Yugoslavia in the 1990s, including NATO's involvement not a war in Europe?

FDChief said...

The Balkans aren't in Eastern Europe last time I checked. I guess you could call it "southeastern Europe" if you want to be picky. I don't.

Don Francisco said...

Looking for a single silver lining and pfft, god it's depressing, maybe with some miracle we can get out of it. Putin seems to have lost his patience/mind, but how unprepared is the West?



Brian Train said...

I always suspected that this would be a reasonable move for Putin, if not the most reasonable one. Nobody seemed particularly willing to follow up on Minsk II, which would have seen the DPR and LPR integrated back into Ukraine, just differently. Now recognizing the DPR and LPR as independent simply reflects the situation on the ground as it has been for the last 7 years, and freezes the conflict.

I do not think it is a prelude for an invasion of Ukraine; media squawking about street fighting in Kyiv is silly.

There certainly are precedents for NATO creating or supporting these de facto sovereign states. Turkey, a NATO member has maintained the recognition and independence of the "Republic of Northern Cyprus" since 1983, when no other country in the world has. Or, since the Balkans have been mentioned, the recognition of Kosovo as a breakaway from Yugoslavia.

mike said...

Screw Putin. Matt Palmquist has found a bit of levity in the Rasputitsa now working against the Russians instead of against Hitler, Nappy, and the Mongol attempt at Novgorod:

https://twitter.com/CivilWarHumor/status/1498017881870663680?cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email

mike said...

Brian -

Minsk II was never accepted by DPR and LDR. Ukraine tried to abide. Only returned fire when shelled despite Putin's propaganda that tried to paint them as aggressors.

FDChief said...

mike: I like this one: https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1497945813330411527

Bold, bad Russian invaders ran out of fuel, so they went to the nearest police station to beg some.

FDChief said...

Brian: sorry, my dude, but that didn't hold up well...

mike said...

FDChief - I saw that, but we were always taught never to show pictures of POWs - for humanitarian reasons, not a security thing.

I'm rooting hard for the Ukrainian David against the Russian Goliath. But I suspect that Pootie is now pissed that his first gambit did not work; and will go for a Roman Peace and turn parts of Ukraine into a hell on earth.

What is your opinion on Pootie's subtle threat to use nukes?

BTW Brian is correct about Kosovo and Cyprus. And NATO's Turkey has also carved out little jihadi princedoms in NW & NE Syria and in Libya.

FDChief said...

Oh, there's no hope for Ukraine. The weight of metal is simply too heavy against them. Their armed forces did far better than they probably should have, but, then, the Russian Army has never been professionally competent. Good at taking a slap at other post-Soviet armies like Georgia's. But the Ukrainians have had enough time to make the reforms needed to improve their troop units to the point where it will take an old-fashioned Soviet steamroller to destroy them - with all the attendant civilian deaths and maiming and associated horrors.

The issue of nukes has always been fraught. The CW was that the threat of nuclear war was such than no nuclear power would ever fight another for fear of escalation from conventional to nuclear. I think Putin is proving the revisionists right; instead the threat of nuclear escalation freezes the conventional response to the conventional aggression. Hopefully we won't have to find out if that extends to Article 5 if Pootie decides that he wants the Baltics back, too...

And I was referring only to Brian's prediction about street fighting in Kyiv.

Brian Train said...

Oh, I willingly own that one Chief: in my defense I can only say that I'm not a freakin' wizard to see the future, and a lot of other people were also taken by surprise by this one.
However, these facts are not excuses, and for someone who has spent so much time pondering the unquantifiable and illogical in war to be so blindsided - it's a lesson about living and communicating in bubbles.

What happens now... not going to try and predict, been singed once already.
I am with you about the weight of metal running against Ukraine; perhaps in the end a likely outcome is something like what Putin wanted without having to fight the war... a government capitulation, a half-digested country (the Russophone part, anyway) with a new government of Quislings, ruling over a land too smashed up to do more than live at a subsistence level and low-level guerrilla resistance.

FDChief said...

No blame. Just that the conventional wisdom that Putin would be too canny to do this was a pretty huge miss. Yes, it was not just you; lots of people missed how viciously mistaken he was.

I've got a post in mind talking about "lessons learned from Ukraine"...