
The reality of post-Civil War U.S. Army life included a variety of troubles, some irritating, some debilitating. One of the more severe was the problem of recruitment. The Army was not a desirable career for a young man in the late 1800’s, and the Army had great difficulty procuring both troopers and officers. Many men who could deserted, and units fought constantly to keep the desertions down and the proportion of raw recruits from making units combat incapable.

The authorized strength of a regular cavalry regiment on the United States Army had been declining since the end of the war as the U.S. tried to save money on soldiers that could be better spent on no-bid contracts to political cronies, or something. From a high of 1,195 enlisted soldiers authorized in 1866 the numbers declined to 980 in 1868, 930 in 1869, and finally 845 by 1874. The assigned strength of the regiment on 31 DEC 1875 was reported as 797 troopers. But on 25 JUN the official assigned strength of the 7th Cavalry Regiment is cited in several sources as only 45 officers and 718 enlisted soldiers.
And when the unit rode down into the valley of the Little Bighorn River it was 14 officers and about 100 troopers short of its assigned strength. This was through a variety of reasons, including sick calls, desertions, and detachments, including its commander, COL Samuel D. Sturgis . Detachment was common in the understaffed Army of the late 19th Century, and that explains all these captains and majors commanding “battalions”.


Archeological evidence suggests that many of the troopers who fought that day were not particularly healthy, either, their skeletal remains still retaining evidence of malnutrition and disease. Their sergeants weren’t the professional NCOs the U.S. Army expects its small-unit leaders to be. PVT Slaper of Company M recalled one of his recruit sergeants sending a group of newbies down to a saloon to trade their weapons and equipment for drink, and then sending a squad to “confiscate” the U.S. issue from the saloonkeeper, with the desired result being a whole bunch of happy, drunken soldiers.
Regardless of their training, health, or numbers, this little force was the fist at the end of the U.S. government’s arm, determined to force the “hostiles” back to imprisonment; approximately 600 to 650 regular medium cavalry under LTC George Armstrong Custer.


What we know is from the testimony of the white survivors and the recollections of the tribal witnesses. Bands from almost all the major north Plains tribes are known to have been present at the engagement; Northern Cheyenne, Arapaho, and at least seven Lakota groups; the Itázipčho (Sans Arc), Sihasapa (Blackfoot), Isáŋyathi (Santee), Brule, Miniconjoux, Oglala, and Hunkpapa. Some Wičhíyena (Yanktonai) and A'aninin (Gros Ventre) bands appear to have been present as well. Regardless of the social divisions it was an immense camp; several witnesses, both native and white, stated that the encampment along the Little Bighorn was the largest they had ever seen, containing well over 10,000 people and probably as many as 15,000.

Instead, the military capability of the north Plains tribes lay in their young men, from the middle teens into the early fifties and possibly beyond for men of exceptional vigor, although a life lived outdoors, on horseback on the Great Plains, would have tired a guy out fairly early. The number of effectives present on 25 JUN was probably no more than 2-3,000 and very likely less, probably something like 1 in 10, so about 1,500 to 1,800.

The great capability of the Plains tribes was their horsemanship, their hardiness, and their bravery. A young Oglala man, or a Cheyenne warrior society soldier, would have known his land like the inside of his lodge, been a good shot with rifle or bow, strong, agile, and particularly deft at maneuvering mounted; no equivalent of the 7th’s hapless recruits would have been present on the native side unless you count some preadolescent boys and angry young women who joined in the fight.
But the great weakness of the tribes was their organization. There just wasn’t any, outside of the warrior societies, and even this was an informal sort of thing, hardly suited for battlefield tactics. Warriors fought as individuals, or in small groups.


The Campaign: It’s probably fair to say that the “Great Sioux War of 1876-77” was just a campaign in the “Great European War of 1492-1890” that broke the power and the way of life of the native peoples in North America. But that would also be quite uninformative. The original causes of the war really stemmed from a collision between the native dwellers in the Black Hills and Powder River regions of the Dakotas and the American descendents of the European conquerors that began in the late 1860’s.



But it would be the Black Hills that would bring things to a head. The U.S. government could have kept the settlers out, but it would have cost serious money and would have set the U.S. Army, which liked their neighboring horse nomads no more than the settlers did, against fellow whites. The federal government probably had doubts about whether an order to exclude whites from the Hills would have been obeyed.
Ironically, it was LTC Custer who was sent in to “explore” the Black Hills in 1874. This expedition reported the presence of gold in the Hills, and in a country being hammered by the Panic of 1873 that was enough to get the gold rush started. The Army did try and evict these claim jumpers from the Lakota lands, but all that did was increase the pressure on the Grant administration to try and come up with some sort of scheme to diddle the redskins out of their now-valuable property.



The combination of lawless mining, other white encroachments such as the proposal to run the Northern Pacific railroad line through the main northern buffalo herd grazing lands, and the increasing drumbeat of violence caused by and directed at the Cheyenne had brought the tribes to a boiling point, while in Washington grave men met in quiet rooms to plan the destruction of a people.
In early November, 1875, Grant and his cabinet met with MG Sheridan, commander of the Division of the Missouri, and BG Crook, commander of the Department of the Platte to thrash out the U.S. government’s policy towards the Black Hills and the tribes surrounding them.
They agreed;
1. To stop the eviction of the miners; in effect, abrogating the Treaty of 1868.
2. To begin attacking and either capturing or killing members of the “hostile” or “non-treaty” bands of Lakota and northern Cheyenne unless they agreed to relocate to the Indian Agency stations for “council”.

An Indian Agency inspector by the name of Watkins couldn’t have liked this better. "The true policy in my judgement," he wrote, "is to send troops against them in the winter, the sooner the better, and whip them into subjection."
That fall the government sent instructions to their Indian agents in the Black Hills region that these “non-treaty” bands were required to report to their reservations by 31 JAN 1876 or else. The smarter agents realize that most of the bands not already on the agencies were snowed in for the winter, but by this time the Army was clearly spoiling for a fight. Phil Sheridan denied one agent’s request for more time. Sending little sticky notes out to the savages “…will in all probability be regarded as a good joke by the Indians."


Crook, as was his wont, move first. He sent a column of ten companies, five each from the 2nd and 3rd U.S. Cavalry, to raid a big winter camp along the Powder River in what is today Montana. The 300-some troopers slogged through the cold of a March night and took the encampment, a northern Cheyenne band led by Ó'kôhómôxháahketa (Little Wolf).



What Gibbon, Terry, and Custer did not know was that Crook had run into a force of Lakota and Cheyenne along the south fork of the Rosebud on 17 JUN and had been badly mishandled.

The remainder of the campaign, however, rolled on tracks as was the rule in pre-radio combat. Custer and Gibbon were to adhere to their timetables, and the movement to the meeting along the Greasy Grass began at midday on 22 JUN, 1876.
The Sources: The most frustrating part of the Little Bighorn is, as almost always in colonial war, the one-sided nature of the story.

There are accounts, some written within a year or two but many from years afterwards and are affected by time and memory as you would expect. But the other problems with these accounts are legion. At first the warriors who had been at the Little Bighorn fight feared that they would be punished, and their tales are slanted to deflect that. Several are obviously intended to curry favor with the eventual victors of the Indian Wars.

There is no single “best” source for native accounts; there is at least one website that appears to have a good variety of native American accounts of the battle as well as listing the participants as are known and their affiliations.

For one thing, Custer’s partisans accused Reno and Benteen of various failings that led to the death of Custer and his unit; many accounts from the 7th Cavalry participants are slanted depending on which side of the Custer fan club they were on.




All natives are tricky and dangerous, all cavalrymen heroic and noble. It isn’t really until the middle of the 20th Century (because at that point all the participants were dead, in particular Elizabeth Custer, whose fierce attacks against anyone accusing her late husband of anything but brilliant leadership and heroic bravery put a chill on non-lauditory scholarship) until you start to see some less biased accounts of the day.
Two worthwhile non-primary sources are Evan S, Connell’s “Son of the Morning Star” (although Connell should be taken carefully on the subject of Custer himself; he apparently loathes the man and never passes up a Custer-bashing story regardless of provenance) and Richard Fox’s “Archaeology, History, and Custer’s Last Battle”, a truly intriguing work of scholarship produced after a range fire in the Eighties allowed Fox and his crew to perform a forensic study of physical evidence at the battle site, including tracking individuals through firearms analysis.

Although I don’t agree with all of Fox’s conclusions, his attempt to use the actual ground, the artifacts on it, and to integrate this with both American and native accounts is truly remarkable.
For general readers, the Osprey campaign series “Little Big Horn 1876” offers all the usual Osprey strengths in a very easily digestable format.
Perhaps the single most entertaining account of the affair is contaned in George McDonald Fraser’s “Flashman and the Redskins”, where the fictional ne’er-do-well is thrown in amongst the chaos along the Little Bighorn and, of course, turns out to be the only white man who rides down Medicine Tail Coulee with the Custer Battalion and survives. Of course. A fun read, and, within it's limits, good history.
The Engagement: Custer’s force, the 7th U.S. Cavalry regiment – he had refused the 20th Infantry gatling detachment as too slow – departed Terry’s position near the mouth of the Rosebud at noon on 22 JUN and followed the river southwest for about four hours before bivouacking for the night. The following day, 23 JUN, the regiment moved a full day’s march up the Rosebud. The command had begun encountering sign that a large native force was up the river; a “large lodgepole trail” paralleled the river all the way up to the overnight spot of the 23-24 JUN.





One major factor at work here was that the Army forces in the field in the summer of 1876 were completely misinformed about the huge number of “hostile” bands they were attempting to subdue.


Three companies (A, G, and M) were placed under the command of MAJ Marcus Reno and tasked to make a fixing attack on the village from the 7th’s position to the southeast. Three more (D, H, and K)were placed under the command of CPT Frederick Benteen and ordered to maneuver to the regiment’s left, west and south, to cut off escape in that direction. The regimental commander kept five companies (C, E, F, I, and L) under his hand to maneuver to the regimental right, along the high bluffs to the east of the village, presumably to encircle the encampment and bag the enemy before they could escape. Company B, CPT Thomas McDougald commanding, was detailed to escort the regimental trains.

Given the S-2 briefing he had received and his perceived understanding of his mission I understand Custer’s division of his forces. I don’t see it as carelessness or recklessness, but rather the “conventional” or school solution to the problem he was faced with. LTC Custer was considered very “dashing”, a real 19th Century Murat-style cavalry plunger. No one who knew him ever described him as a commander of exceptional tactical skill or perception. And his actions at the Greasy Grass confirmed the conventional assessment.
A genuinely gifted commander might have wondered about the immense encampment his scouts reported or he observed when his command closed on the river valley, and might have heard something in the voices of the men more familiar with the tribes.
One of his white scouts, Mitch Bouyer, is said to have told him “General, I have been with these Indians for 30 years, and this is the largest village I have ever heard of.” Most versions of the story have the Crow and Ree scouts ripping off their hand-me-down uniform shirts so that they could die as warriors; supposedly Custer was so insulted when these men began to sing their “death songs” that he dismissed them from their service on the spot.
But he does not seem to have wondered why these tough fighters were suddenly so convinced that 25 JUN was their last day. And he does not seem to have grasped the enormity of his task, or the nature of his enemy. His plan, from what his unit assignments tell us, was not really an attack plan at all, but a sort of vague reconnaissance-in-force, designed to find and fix an elusive enemy that he expected to run away.
Seldom has a commander been quite so mistaken.
The regiment had moved forward from the Crow’s Nest in fits and starts, and by noon (about 10:00 local sun time) were still about 10-12 miles east of the village at the point where Custer divided his command. For the next three hours the cavalry advanced generally west; the eight companies of Reno and Custer directly west along what would become known as “Reno Creek”, Benteen with his three-company element to the southwest.

By 1600 Reno ordered his battalion to retire to the bluffs they had started from.

The unit, not well-controlled in advance, fell apart in retreat. George Herendeen, one of Reno’s civilian scouts, said of the fiasco;
“The command headed for the ford, pressed closely by Indians in large numbers, and at every moment the rate of speed was increased, until it became a dead run for the ford. The Sioux, mounted on their swift ponies, dashed up by the side of the soldiers and fired at them, killing both men and horses. Little resistance was offered, and it was a complete rout to the ford.”Still, the bulk of Reno’s command regained the east bank of the Little Bighorn. There they formed a defensive perimeter and fortified it as best they could, scraping rifle pits with butts or knives, using saddles or dead horses.


Troopers in the Reno/Benteen command had some ideas as early as the day of the engagement that something had gone badly wrong with Custer’s command. The last sight anyone had had of them was at about 1515, when Reno’s troopers had seen Custer himself and his troops riding parallel to their attack along the east bank of the River and disappearing over the bluffs.
At about 1620 or 1630 several white witnesses say that they began to hear heavy firing downstream of the Reno position. This firing grew in intensity, with some men claiming that they heard organized volley firing, until by 1655 CPT Weir, D Co., commanding, requested that his company move north to assist the Custer unit.

Neither Custer nor anyone of his command joins them during the remainder of the day or on the next.
And, of course, we know why. LTC Custer and every man in his five companies had been killed on the high bluffs east of the Little Bighorn, the worst U.S. Army defeat at the hands of native forces since the Battle of the Wabash in 1791.

The sole “survivor” found by the soldiers amid the bodies that littered the places we now call “Nye-Cartwright Ridge”, “Last Stand Hill”, and “Deep Ravine” was CPT Keogh’s bay gelding “Comanche”.

Part of this was because of the defeat of a “civilized” force by “savages”; there HAD to be some explanation beyond “sometimes you win, sometimes you lose…” – someone had to be to blame, some mistake or set of circumstances that explained why the white soldiers lost (rather than the native warriors won).

Part of this was the nature of the commander. George Armstrong Custer was a divisive sort of man and a polarizing sort of officer. He had many supporters and friends to whom he could do nothing wrong, and he had many enemies and skeptics who considered him foolish at best and actively dangerous at worst.
So very soon, possibly even while the unit was in the field, his officers were picking up sides.
There was one faction – 1LT Godfrey is among them – that tended to blame the entire fiasco on the subordinates; Benteen for one, but mostly Reno. In their way of thinking if Reno had attacked as Custer intended the hostiles would not have been able to concentrate on the northern elements and Custer’s plan would have worked. Their argument was that Custer was a genius betrayed by the cowardice and incompetence of little men.

Perhaps the single issue that keeps the Battle of the Little Bighorn written and argued over is the subject of the “last stand”.
When the news of the defeat broke over a nation celebrating its centennial the immediate, and for many, many years the only, reaction was one of horror at the “massacre” and hagiography of the dead men. The nefarious redskins had obviously overwhelmed the cavalrymen with human wave tactics, soaking up the bullets of the hard-bitten troopers until they were buried beneath the savage hordes.




First, it doesn’t really fit the archaeological evidence.
In Fox’s “Archaeology, History, and Custer’s Last Battle” the author carefully reconstructs the events of 25 JUN as revealed through modern finds of bullets, cartridge cases, and other artifacts. He doesn’t find any evidence for a climactic firefight around Last Stand Hill; in fact, there are very few Springfield or Colt cartridge cases (indicating Army firing) relative to, say, the Company L skirmish position at the south end of Battle Ridge, the so-called “Calhoun Hill”. The soldiers who died at the more famous hill, as well as the soldiers who died along the ridge that runs up to there from Calhoun Hill to the south, appear to have died with surprisingly little firing on their part.


Fox’s theory is that Keogh sent one of his companies (Fox theorizes C) on a mounted charge downhill to the west. He believes that this charge was met with an ambush – Lame White Man’s attack – and was decimated by overwhelming fire shock and retired in confusion. He believes that the Cheyenne warriors pursued Company C into the Company L firing line and overwhelmed it.



That doesn’t seem to make much sense, does it?
Here’s what I think happened.
I don’t think there’s any way to tell exactly what Custer’s movements were. But I think that, knowing the man, knowing his mission, knowing what he thought his enemy’s most dangerous course of action (a tactical retreat to avoid combat) was, that he was maneuvering offensively. I think he dropped Keogh’s battalion on Calhoun Hill and took Yates’ battalion north, looking for a better avenue of approach to the big village.

That the resulting chaos was driven north as some troopers either attempted to flee, surrender, or simply cowered in the way that soldiers have been known to in the extremes of panic and fear, simply waiting passively for death.

Perhaps it was then that Tȟašúŋke Witkó boiled up from the north or east and slammed into them. They may have fired a hasty spatter of shots, but the notion of volleys seems risible - the open order of the Army skirmish line and the chaotic individual tactics of the warriors makes volley firing both wasteful and ineffective - and then many of them were killed on the spot.
What was left of Company E and the fugitives of the rest of the battalion was hunted down into the Deep Ravine valley.

Reed Horse of the Minnecoujou described it:
“…the Sioux charged (Custer's) soldiers below, and drive them in confusion; these soldiers became foolish, many throwing away their guns and raising their hands, saying, "Sioux, pity us; take us prisoners." The Sioux did not take a single soldier prisoner, but killed all of them; none were left alive for even a few minutes. These different soldiers discharged their guns but little.”Runs the Enemy of the Oóhe Núŋpa Lakota drew a picture of the rout from Calhoun Hill to Last Stand Hill;
“Another charge was made and they retreated along the line of the ridge; it looked like a stampede of buffalo.”I believe that Custer’s command died as he did; baffled and confused about what was happening to them, suddenly shocked by the ferocity of the Cheyenne and the Lakota, attempting but incapable of making any serious organized resistance.

The Outcome: Tactical Cheyenne/Lakota victory.
The Impact: Negligible.

Tȟašúŋke Witkó was murdered in September of the following year, Tȟatȟáŋka Íyotake in the Ghost Dance year of 1890. The great northern Plains tribes were largely confined by the Eighties, and were broken for good in the 1890s, since when they have been confined to the white man’s world and their “reservations”, slowly dying of inconsequence and alcohol.



This wasn’t the question of a noble savage and a rapacious invader; this was two tough, smart, ambitious cultures that both wanted the same piece of real estate. The invader just happened to have better technology and social organization, and no place in his society for a group of seminomadic tribes.
The settled man has always hated and feared the nomad. When horse peoples have collided with settled peoples there has always been violence, from the steppes of Russia to north China to the prairies of North America. The end of the native American story is a tragedy for them, but not a tragedy unique to them.
If the Little Bighorn says anything about this, it is simply that the United States was simply too vast, too well organized, too implacably convinced of its own rightness – its “manifest destiny” to rule the continent – for the Plains tribes to deflect. They tried living with us, they tried fighting us…and they even beat us, most famously that hot, dusty afternoon along the slopes of the Greasy Grass.

The native peoples were doomed.
Touchline Tattles: There’s not much lightness about the day, really. Even the “humorous” tales from the engagement have a grim flavor to them, like the cartoon Irish cavalryman so thirsty for drink that he jokes with the surgeon that he’ll have his other leg off if it will get him some more booze. There's a tragic, doomed taste to the whole business.

26 comments:
Nicely researched as always.
Why did you choose Little Bighorn? It certainly wasn't decisive, more a speed-bump in the road to Manifest Destiny.
National Geographic did a similar article a few months back (I don't recall the exact conclusions but they are similar to yours).
I think I wrote about this in the "battle" for March, Pancho Villa's raid on Columbus; I've gotten to the point where I'm running out of "decisive" battles that interest me (I just don't want to write about, say, Fontenoy) or that I have anything of value to contribute (I have nothing to say about Stalingrad that hasn't been said a jillion times over, so what would be the point?). So I've started writing about battles that just interest me, or ones that had an impact far out of proportion with the actual engagement itself (like Columbus) or, as in this case, have taken on a life of their own outside the historical facts of the engagement.
That last is where the LBH falls; there's a "mythic" LBH that was created almost immediately after the battle ended that endures to this day, and resists any attempt to revisit the sort of combat actions that would have resulted in the deaths of over 200 soldiers in 45 minutes with minimal loss to their enemies.
So for this one, it's the "controversial" part that interests me. In terms of effect on the white conquest of NA, not even a speed bump - more like grit under the tires.
Thanks kindly Chief, I always enjoy your articles.
Have you considered writing about the Battle of Sekigahara? It is an interesting battle where the maneuvering (in the largest sense) before the battle was extremely important.
Hi Chief, nice article. I agree that most of the "decisive" battles have been covered now. Maybe it's time to change this to "Battles That Interest Me".
My understanding of 'Custer's Last Stand' comes from John Keegan's book "Fields of Battle: The Wars for North America". He follows John Gray who thinks Custer continued to attack, even when getting information that the number of natives was much larger, confident that firepower and discipline would prevail. By the time he realized that this was too many aboriginals for he units firepower to stop, it was too late.
Gray thinks Custer tried to form a defensive position at the best terrain Custer had (which it wasn't) but was far too wide for his command. This left a thin defensive line that would never be able to put out the volume of fire to suppress the warriors. Eventually they found weak-points and gaps, broke through and history takes it's sorry end.
Actually I'd also recommend looking at battles that are significant in some way but are oft-overlooked for various reasons. I seem to remember you covered one of the battles of the Russo-Finnish war (I may be wrong, I couldn't find it in your archives). If not, mayhaps Tali-Ilhantala, the battle that saved Finland from becoming a Soviet satellite. Or maybe something more ancient: Zama, Alesia, etc...
Ael: I've thought about several of the battles from the Japanese feudal period, but I think the one I will write up this September is the Battle of Shiroyama, 1877. It has it all; Samurai, cannon, seppuku, Tom Cruise...(wait, no, sorry).
Leon: The Winter War has some good stuff, but you're right in that the 1944 battles of the Continuation War were truly critical in saving an independent Finland. I think I might writeup the Battle of Ilomantsi for July this year. Great story, with the Finns bitchslapping the Soviet bear...again.
Another cracking article chief, stick with the (not) decisive battles/battles that interest me theme, it's proving v popular with the crowd.
I like the suggestions made by others, could be some good reading. If I can make my suggestions - the English War of the Roses. Big, voilent battles, decisive for the nobles involved, but for the rest of country, did it make any difference at all?
DF: I'd argue that the only one that did, in the end, was Bosworth, in that it put an end to the Plantagenets and brought in the Tudors and more than time it was, too, since Henry II's brood and their descendents really were a right fucking mess, many of them. Not that the Tudors were saints, but after the chaos of the Angevins and then the bloody York-Lancaster feud, well...
And I should note that even after 1485 the Yorkists wouldn't lie down. Henry VII had to do a good bit of fighting and executing before the Tudors could safely ignore the pesky bastards. Even his son had to deal with some continuing unrest.
I'd agree with you re Bosworth. The most interesting period for me is after Henry Bolingbroke deposes Richard II. Despite having pretty good personal reasons to depose Richard, and in overthrowing a tyrannical ruler being backed by a lot of popular support, he meets opposition in the form of assassination attempts, rebellions & invasions from the outset of his succession, many of them following one after another. I'm sure there are lessons in crisis management & strategy there. Though it didn't stop him being eventually usurped by his son Henry V.
Chief,
You've out done yourself with this article.
Do you know why the Crows Nest marker appears to be defaced-the first line looks chiseled off of it.
jim
DF: I've always thought that the fourth through the sixth Henries were something of a mess. Bad as R2 was it might have been better for England if he'd been left alone.
jim: It looks as though someone chiseled out a line that claimed that the OP was named by the scouts that morning "because there was a crow's nest there"; I'm guessing that either a local or a history buff had better information or just disagreed with the statement and rubbed it out.
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BTW, folks; I wanted to note that this article is the first of a two-part essay on LBH, the second being jim's thoughts on the events of June, 1876. I sent him the original post very late and he's working on his material now, but I hope to have it up here soon and am convinced that he'll give us much more to think about.
Chief,
I'm in the barrel now.
Today i'll do a dual comment-one cmt on your exhaustive art, and one ATTEMPTING to equate this battle to the PWOT.
Pls bear in mind that this will be simply comment and a footnote to your work. A work that is beyond my ability to equal.
But i'm on the scent now.
jim
btw - my word verification this morn is INGINS.Is that funny or what?!
jim
My only dispute, and its a minor one, would be your last point as to whether the Plains tribes' lack of nationhood made much of a difference. The Iroquois Confederacy provides one example of Native American tribes working together under a larger framework, so it wasn't totally unknown for some NA to operate this way, yet in the end it made little difference against the overwhelming forces of demographics and technology the natives were facing.
Even if the Plains tribes could have formed something like the Confederacy - which is a big "if" considering their nomadic lifestyle and the distances involved - I can't conceive that it would have made that much of a dent in the western expansion. Even ten Little Big Horns would have at best imposed a temporary delay on what was to come.
tagryn: Point well taken, and I should revise that statement. The combination of epidemic disease and agriculture surely doomed the tribes, even if they had managed of form some sort of continent-spanning confederation. Their only hope might have been to have adopted the white's methods AND hoped for a caesura in the western expansion, and the latter almost certainly wouldn't have happened, even if the natives had managed a sort of Meiji Restoration-level industrialization all on their own.
Chief and tag,
There's some speculation that the nomad tribes were less stricken by imported diseases b/c they had less exposure and were more remote. The larger Mississpi river cities actually disappeared after exposure.
Some theorize that the survivors actually become the nomadic tribes.
The eastern tribes also interbred more readily than the western tribes. As a result their leaders often had a foot in both camps, ergo they understood the whites.This often affected their leadership and treaties.
Whether east or west all the NA's got the tube steak.
jim
Chief,
Just a little trip down the backstreets of history.
While doing a little research on Spensers/Burnsides and Buford at Gettysburg a little fact popped up.
Myles Keogh was an aide to Buford and was a faithful officer and well breveted thru out the CW.
He was used to desperate defensive as well as offensive fights. His element was destroyed at LBH, but they had appropriate leadership at his level.
Just a little fact that bears on your historical section.
I found this AFTER i did my cmts which haven't been printed yet.
jim
A great read. Someday when I retire I'm going to come back and read the whole series.
I remember a Twilight Zone episode about a tank crew who find themselves transported back in time and place to LBH. They leave their vehicle, grab their rifles and hoof it to help Custer out.
I live less than a half-day's drive from Commanche, Keogh's horse.
The link:
http://www.garryowen.com/comanche2.htm
bb
jim: The Keogh bio makes me a little more confident that his wing was maneuvering in open order when they were overrun. A smart, experienced ACW officer would certainly know how to organize a dismounted defense and given the disparity in firepower should have been able to sicken the Sioux and Cheyenne enough to last longer than an hour, at least.
I think that his last thought was probably something like "What the...fuck THIS...!" as the dog soldiers came boiling up out of the ravines and took down his L Company skirmish line while half of C Company bolted for it.
The other thing that bears on this is that in open order - that is, maneuvering offensively - even a leader like Keogh can only influence the nearest couple of guys around him. But in a defense a good officer can do a lot more to keep the guys' heads' up and firing.
Chief,
From the pics and the topo of the battlefield istm that Keogh would have organized on the military crest , if he had the ability or luxery to do so.
As he set his defense the Indians could sweep down hill on him, which is always a bad thing.
As a soldier i think his element was running and fighting until they realized that they were decisively engaged, at which time they went to ground and sold out as dearly as they could.
Myles was a fine officer.
jim
A fine analysis, Chief. I myself though am of the 'Custer-was-an-idiot' school.
I did have the opportunity last summer to stop at the LBH Battlefield. We were travelling to the east coast to see in-laws and just happened to see the sign off of Interstate 90. Wasn't going to stop because as I said above Custer was never my hero. But we needed gas and coffee so stopped. Glad we did. Standing on the actual terrain brings a lot to the picture.
It is still on the Crow Reservation and the only place to get lunch, coffee and souvenirs was at a Crow trading post. Did my heart good to see all the redneck tourists grumbling about the high-priced fry bread and Indian stew on the menu. Great to see them, the Crows, adopting euro-American practice of milking the pilgrims. There were quite a few Crow and Arikara names on headstones at the National Cemetery which covers all wars.
mike: I plan to get there someday, I hope in early summer about the same time as the old fight.
And I love to hear white men bitch about stuff like Indian casinos. Yeah, sucks to be you, eh, white-eyes? I guess the redskins should be thankful that they got a friggin' casino and some fry bread...in exchange for the whole friggin' country! Dumbasses.
Chief -
It was very crowded in July. Go early, early summer and plan on doing your hiking from site to site in the early AM.
One needs to study Rorkes drift and Islawanda battles of 1879. The LaDrang Valley in 65, and the next day's march to LZ X-ray.
Capt. Thomas Weir pleaded with Capt. Benteen to go and support Custer, when he finally decided to take his Company [M], he only made it to "Weir Point" .. it was too late ..
if Capt Benteen went when Henry Reed (GAC nephew) and Boston Custer (GAC brother) did, they could have gotten through as they did, and could have executed flanking positions with a crossfire ..
the fact that the Indians could not take Custer's men quickly adds credibility that two forces with using military strategy could make a stand-off/draw ..
note: two separate positions are a superior tactic then doubling one position (difficult to flank)
I have no idea who has been posting all the "Custer was betrayed" stuff just lately, but I will simply say that yeah, yeah, we've heard all that before. If the guy was all that why didn't his brilliant plan work? You go with the troops you have, not the troops you want. If Reno and Benteen are such fuckups why give them independent commands and then come up with a brilliant "plan" that depends on them doing things that - being the cowardly fuckups you insist they were - they couldn't have done on their best day with a shiny new copper penny?
Nope. Sorry. Custer was just another light colonel who misunderstood the situation and whose luck just ran out.
And who's getting all weepy about the injuns? Are you trying to one-up the dead? BOTH sides were savages to each other; as you brilliantly conclude, "war is war".
Except in this case WE are the invaders; we are shiking them out of their homeland, we're the ones coming around looking for trouble; we are Osama bin Laden, they are the Twin Towers; we are Hitler, they are Poland.
I'm perfectly OK with the reality that my ancestors fucked over the Red Man, and don't feel the need to try and make a case for their being hard-done-by Good Guys; sometimes people do fucked up things and profit from it. As I said in the post - had the Cheyenne gotten the guns, germs, and steel they'd have gleefully done to the white man what my ancestors did to them.
History is what it is, and IMO our best approach is to try and see it for the lessons it provides, rather than spin it as a way to make ourselves feel better about how cool we are and were. You may interpret this as you choose.
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